Meeting Notes - 11th February 2026
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11 February 2026, 05:32pm
Edward Baker started transcription
Edward Baker 0:03
Done, call.
So, we're here to go through the terms of reference and agree them, and there's a chunk of the terms of reference that relate to how the peer for say will.
Um, oversee the appointment of someone.
The structure of the steering group then directs that work is basically it.
I can get my screen as I go through the document, if that or if you prefer not to share screen, I'll just talk about the bits that you've highlighted and edited.
Jeremy Percy 0:38
Yeah, whatever is easier if you read.
Richard Stride 0:40
Yeah, no problem.
Edward Baker 0:40
Well...
I mean.
If you don't mind it being shared, it kind of makes sense that you can see what I'm looking at.
Jeremy Percy 0:49
Nik.
Richard Stride 0:50
Ch.
Edward Baker 0:51
Does that work?
Jeremy Percy 0:53
Yep, I can see it.
Richard Stride 0:55
Yeah.
Adrian Bartlett 0:55
Yeah, no problem.
Edward Baker 0:55
Cool, so...
We've not, we're all pretty, we've all agreed and have been happy. There's no comments on the background to the steering group, the purpose of the steering group, the membership of the steering group.
Jeremy Percy 1:06
It's fine.
Edward Baker 1:09
And then this section here.
Cool.
Hi, Mark.
mark ball 1:22
Hi there, alright.
Edward Baker 1:23
Thanks very much for joining us.
mark ball 1:26
Yeah, just got back in from giving blood and maybe followed it on here.
Edward Baker 1:30
Fair enough. Cool.
Jeremy Percy 1:30
Yeah.
mark ball 1:32
Yeah.
Edward Baker 1:34
So I don't know how to know everyone on the screen.
mark ball 1:38
I can't see anyone yet. I've just done just literally John. He's not showing me anyone at the moment.
Richard Stride 1:40
But.
Edward Baker 1:41
Yeah, fair enough.
Your.
Your camera is white as well.
mark ball 1:49
White.
Jeremy Percy 1:50
Yeah, we can't see it gone.
Edward Baker 1:50
Yeah, look, all we can see is a is a white screen. There we go.
Jeremy Percy 1:54
Hey, there he is.
mark ball 1:57
Got me? I can't say no one.
Edward Baker 1:58
DELETE.
John Balls 2:01
But we can see you, Mark, anyway.
mark ball 2:04
All right, OK. All right, obviously you. Oh, OK, I know John, yeah.
Edward Baker 2:12
Do you want a quick round of introductions?
mark ball 2:15
Yeah, can do, yeah.
Edward Baker 2:17
Cool. Well, I mean, you and I have only really briefly met, and I think, as I said the other day, like we might have had the odd conversation about quota when I used to work for the MMO, but
I run the Plymouth Fish and Seafoods Association, and I'm...
Trying to support the setup of this network, basically.
But yeah, my main job is looking after the boats in Plymouth.
mark ball 2:43
Yeah.
Edward Baker 2:44
Go on, Simon.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 2:46
Yeah, I was going to say, should I go next? I'm Simon, crab and lobster fisherman from Cromer in Norfolk. I run the reef CIC, Regeneration East Angler Fisheries, and I also do all the training. I'm a sea fish approved training provider, so I do all the training for the fishermen around here.
Who's next?
Jeremy Percy 3:08
Go on, Ed, call the names out.
Edward Baker 3:10
Don Jerry.
Jeremy Percy 3:11
Hi Mark, if you don't recognise me, you need new glasses. How are you doing?
Edward Baker 3:12
Yeah.
mark ball 3:14
Yeah, not too bad, Jerry, thank you.
Jeremy Percy 3:16
Good man, good to see you.
mark ball 3:18
Yeah, I'll bet you a few times.
Jeremy Percy 3:19
Yes.
mark ball 3:20
You know all the ice things lock.
Jeremy Percy 3:22
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah.
There you go.
Edward Baker 3:25
I'm.
Laity.
Adrian Bartlett 3:29
Yeah, hi Mark, I think we might have bumped into last week somewhere along the line in Newcastle, but yeah, just a retired fisherman in the Southwest support in Ed as a director in trying to support where I can within the industry.
mark ball 3:42
Yeah.
A long ago now, I'm A fisherman from Hastings and Rye, hanging on by the skin of my teeth.
Edward Baker 3:44
Richard.
John Balls 3:50
Mhm.
Jeremy Percy 3:52
Yeah.
Edward Baker 3:53
Fair enough.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 3:53
Doing the kids.
John Balls 3:56
That sounds like the rest of us then, Mark. Yeah, so obviously, I've seen you a few times now, John Balls I am, North Devon Fisherman's Association Chairman, South West Vice Chairman for the NFFO, and obviously in my spare time, a commercial shell fisherman.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 3:58
Yeah.
mark ball 3:59
Yeah.
John Balls 4:15
Been both sides of the country, up in North Norfolk where I was bred and born, spent 40 years there and then came down to the southwest just over 20 years ago.
Edward Baker 4:28
I'm finally Richard.
Richard Stride 4:30
That leaves me. Yeah, hello, Mark. Richard Stride. I'm a static gear fisherman from Christchurch in Dorset, and I'm the secretary of the South Coast Fishermen's Council.
mark ball 4:42
Hi.
Edward Baker 4:43
Oh, so, um...
Well, we're recording this meeting, if that's alright, Mark.
mark ball 4:50
Yeah.
Edward Baker 4:51
To give you a bit more context, we've basically come together to try and create this network to support inshore fisheries. The idea behind the steering group is that it's completely open to anyone who wants to drop on or off it at the moment. But what we want to do is to
employ someone to formally create a structure for the network.
So that you...
agree with their, or work with the sort of 60 odd fishermen who've signed up to take part.
to define whether or not you have representation from different regions or different gear types and whether they are voted in and how long they are voted in for and kind of what the purpose of the network is beyond getting your voice heard with government, basically.
And what we would like to do tonight is go through our...
Terms of reference, which really importantly describes how the steering Group will work with.
The appointed person, if we get somebody to, you know, if we were successful at getting funding to basically create this structure for the network. Does that roughly make sense? I'm definitely skimming things quite quickly. Because we're all quite keen to get out of here by 6:00.
Jeremy Percy 6:11
Yeah.
mark ball 6:12
Yeah, makes sense to me.
Edward Baker 6:14
Cool. All right. Thank you. So, I'm going to share my screen so you can see the terms of reference. Did you get a chance to read it when I sent it over?
mark ball 6:28
Did I have to have a look, quite a look at it, yeah.
Edward Baker 6:30
All right, cool. So, so far...
The Group are in agreement with the description of the background and the purpose of the steering group. And then we've got membership and governance and we're just moving into decision making.
Um...
And Jerry is highlighted.
He's not sure if he, like he doesn't understand what I mean by if the number of people in the steering group falls below 5, then all must be present, all members must be present to vote on a decision. So what we're saying is if you need five people in the steering group, the steering group could be 10 people big.
but you need at least five to make a decision. But if people move off the steering group and say, I don't want to be part of it anymore, and you end up with only four, then that is enough to make a decision if that's all you've got. Unless you want to say, if you haven't got five people on a steering group, then the whole thing disbands. I guess that's a good.
Jeremy Percy 7:30
Yeah, thanks for that explanation, Ed. I did query that and I understand now where you're coming from because it could have been meant a couple of different things. I mean, it makes something of a mockery of having a requirement for a quorum of five. If there's not five there, four can make a decision. It doesn't actually stick in there.
Edward Baker 7:48
Mhm.
Jeremy Percy 7:50
But whether we put five there as a for a quorum or three, I don't know, because everyone's busy today. We've got what, two, 4, 6, 7. But you only want two or three people at sea or something. So perhaps, and I don't know, it's maybe a suggestion if we had three to make a quorum,
That would probably avoid any any issues with that. I don't know what people think.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 8:14
Yeah, if I can just jump in, I would agree with that. Sweet. We have a quorum of three for Reef and our other training in the committee, because getting five at the same time can be tricky. So 3 is just what we have. That would seem of a sensible number. Anyway, that's my view.
Jeremy Percy 8:23
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
John Balls 8:31
Yeah, I'll go for three. We have the Directors make the decisions for me at the NDFA and as long as there's three of them agree, we're happy with that. So yeah, that's fine for me.
Richard Stride 8:32
IN.
Jeremy Percy 8:41
But.
Adrian Bartlett 8:44
Yeah, I think not.
Richard Stride 8:45
Okay, well that, yeah, that I would agree, but as just as long as everyone has received the notice convening the meeting, what you don't want is anyone saying that they didn't know about it or didn't know what was on the agenda, that kind of thing. So if everyone knows what it's about, what's on the agenda and they can't make it or decide not to come, then obviously they're delegating
the decision to those that are already, you know, that are going to be there. So that's okay.
Edward Baker 9:15
So, I just need a line in here that, like, you know, one week's notice.
Yeah, I mean, we've got the next sentence that says decisions can also be made by e-mail if all steering group members are copied into the chain. At least three responses are received with an agreed time for. No, no, so that's slightly different. So any, so at least one week's notice needs to be given before any meeting or proposed decision.
Yeah.
Jeremy Percy 9:45
Yep, yep.
Adrian Bartlett 9:45
Yeah.
mark ball 9:46
Yeah.
Richard Stride 9:46
Are you okay?
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 9:47
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
John Balls 9:48
Yeah.
Edward Baker 9:49
Sole.
John Balls 10:10
Fish.
Jeremy Percy 10:11
And just from experience, it's very often the case that people agree, but they're busy or they're out or they just don't respond to an e-mail. So, you know, if people don't respond, we should assume that they're in favour of whatever it is.
John Balls 10:22
Just touching briefly on that, going back to what Richard said, the chances are any information that you're going to send out or whoever's in charge is going to be sending out is not going to need an immediate reply within a matter of hours. Nine times out of 10, anything that's going to be coming up
is going to give us at least a week, if not two weeks, before we have to make a decision on anything. So obviously, the sooner we get information sent to us as the steering group, then we can deal with that. But I don't see any problem with what you know suggesting, what Jerry has now said, just put that line in there.
Hey, and that covers all eventualities.
Edward Baker 11:07
Perfect. Thank you.
So.
The next one, Richard, you added for the grounds for removal from the steering group be that if their conduct is vexatious or disrupts progress. And I was just going to query the use of the word vexatious because
Richard Stride 11:19
I don't know.
And.
Jeremy Percy 11:32
Yeah.
Edward Baker 11:32
We could be vexatious but still not disrupt progress. So we could annoy each other.
Richard Stride 11:40
Yeah, but yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm happy for you to take it out. I mean, I'm not going to say that I that I'm that set on it, but it it vexatious behaviour is is really repetitive sort of objections or
Edward Baker 11:41
Ohh.
Richard Stride 11:58
or proposals that aren't properly grounded, that are intended just to wind people up and to slow things down. That's my understanding of the term vexatious.
Edward Baker 12:06
And.
Yeah.
My I had to I had to look it up in a thesaurus.
Richard Stride 12:16
Yeah.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 12:16
Yeah.
Edward Baker 12:17
They kind of knew what it meant, but I wanted to just to cheque and it could be like soft or hard and then it's hard for them, I completely agree, but in its kind of softer form, I thought, well.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 12:17
I am NOT.
Edward Baker 12:27
But I don't know, it's pretty it's pretty minor picking hairs. I'll leave it in if you guys are happy.
Jeremy Percy 12:31
I think just, Ed, if I may, just in terms of that line, rather than disrupts progress, because, you know, depending on how the thing develops, somebody who has a very strong view on something and argues vehemently about it, you know, could be determined to be
disrupting progress, but if you put or is disruptive there, their conduct is disruptive, and we all know what that means, very much so, rather than disrupt progress, I think that might be more helpful.
Richard Stride 12:58
Mm.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 13:00
Yeah.
Edward Baker 13:04
We just do that and disruptive.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 13:04
Ohh, yes, yes.
Richard Stride 13:06
Yeah.
Jeremy Percy 13:08
Yeah.
Edward Baker 13:09
Boom.
Um...
The next thing to highlight was just to confirm whether I've chatted to some of you, if not all, about the coordinator role being for a shorter period of time, but more intense. So maybe 30 hours a week for four months as opposed to part time for six months.
Richard Stride 13:22
Two.
Adrian Bartlett 13:31
I think we've got to move.
Jeremy Percy 13:32
Well for what it for what it's worth, it needs to be effectively a permanent position. You know, if a guy or girl is going to do the job, there's going to be a bit of travelling involved. There's going to be all sorts of discussions to be had. I'd have thought, well, my view was it should be a six month roll, depending on funding. If we get the money for a six month roll, why wouldn't we?
And that should be in at least either full time of 30 hours a week. I'm easy about that.
Adrian Bartlett 13:56
I think it's got to be that, Jerry. I think a day and a half, I think you're going to lose momentum quite quickly, ain't you? And I think you just need, whoever it is, just to go headlong into it and kind of get it up and running sooner rather than later, because a day and a half a week could just lag out for eight, nine months, if they're stumbling about.
Edward Baker 13:56
Prime.
Jeremy Percy 14:01
Yeah.
Richard Stride 14:15
Hmm.
Adrian Bartlett 14:16
And it doesn't stop. It doesn't stop people phoning them outside that day and a half either, does it? Once the communications is open, it's open, isn't it?
Jeremy Percy 14:16
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely. And a day and a half, frankly, is no good. I mean, if you were going to go to a meeting somewhere, you could spend a day and a half getting there and back, as we know from Newcastle. So yeah, maybe.
Richard Stride 14:33
Yeah.
Adrian Bartlett 14:33
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Richard Stride 14:33
Mm.
Yeah.
Edward Baker 14:36
So...
Richard Stride 14:36
So, if we say it's a full-time job then, Jerry, but you think that four months wouldn't be enough?
Anyway, I mean that.
Jeremy Percy 14:43
It's a bit of how long is a piece of string, isn't it? I mean, my view is if we can get the funding for more than for a six-month role, then we should go for it. You know, if you don't ask, you won't get. I mean, it may be.
Richard Stride 14:49
Yeah, yeah, I think she.
John Balls 14:52
Why did you put, why did you put the word in a minimum of six months?
Richard Stride 14:52
I mean, the...
John Balls 14:57
This is to be reviewed.
Edward Baker 14:57
I don't know if my wife frozen.
Jeremy Percy 14:58
Bartlett.
Yeah, well, it'll be six months. This is all about focusing on the funding at the minute, John, isn't it? If we can get funding for six months, then, you know, I think we should get it because it's going to be, you know, hopefully the job will be done or, you know, but we will then have to evolve into something that may cover the initial new steering group and everything. So there's a bit of continuity there.
John Balls 15:00
So, are you?
Yeah, yeah.
Jeremy Percy 15:20
What do you think, Ed, about funding?
Edward Baker 15:25
I think Morgan wants us to be quite concise about what we want. I think the job needs to be done in three to four months, because really it's just defining a structure and saying, right, how are we going to vote people in effectively? But you could
pitch it to Morven that we want the contingency to go to six months to further develop it with a point in the kind of funding contract where we have to submit and apply for that second portion of funding for the next two to three months.
Richard Stride 15:48
Yeah.
The.
Edward Baker 15:59
Based on progress.
Jeremy Percy 15:59
Yeah, could be.
Yeah, whatever people think.
Edward Baker 16:04
Because if we just, if we say, yeah, we'd like it to be six months, she'll want to know exactly why. But my instinct is that.
Jeremy Percy 16:09
Yeah, yeah. Well, as you said, go on your suggestion, Ed, you know, go for the four months and then, you know, please, can we come back? Well, if she'll be off on maternity leave, won't she say?
Edward Baker 16:20
He's gone in a month. So whatever she agrees will be handed over to her, like the next person in line.
Jeremy Percy 16:22
Yeah.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 16:23
Ohh.
Jeremy Percy 16:27
Yeah, do we know anything about it? It's just Mason, James Mason. I can't remember. No, no, yeah, absolutely fine. Let's move on. That's cool.
Richard Stride 16:29
Yeah.
Edward Baker 16:33
Van.
So, what, so a coordinate for a four-month roll with a two-month contingency?
Jeremy Percy 16:42
Yeah, and how many days a week, four of five?
Edward Baker 16:46
To keep the cost down, I'd probably go 30 hours a week and try and spread them over 5 days.
Richard Stride 16:47
Group for it.
Jeremy Percy 16:54
Yep.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 16:56
Yeah, six hours a day, huh?
Edward Baker 17:00
Yeah, or, you know, it could be front-loaded or like, I mean, that's something that my contract is 30 hours a week and I work nearly 40.
Richard Stride 17:08
It.
Jeremy Percy 17:12
Yeah, that's always the way, isn't it? I mean, I think we've all been guilty of that. But yeah, and anyone who we employ is going to have to be a self-starter and, you know, work on their own initiative a lot of the time.
Edward Baker 17:13
Yeah.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 17:16
Yeah.
Edward Baker 17:18
And.
Yeah, I said, I mean, this is, you know, how much do you want to pay that? The other question is, we were looking at when I first did this, we said,
Sort of two days a month for six months at 350 quid A day.
Laity.
Jeremy Percy 17:42
them.
Edward Baker 17:44
That 350 came from Emma's suggestion from Fish into the Future, is what she thought was appropriate.
Richard Stride 17:53
OK, trying to get out.
Edward Baker 17:57
And that comes out at 17 grand, which is within the realms of what more one can fund, although she's not actually given me a figure.
Jeremy Percy 18:07
Well, if you took this role initially to be worth, what, 40 grand a year? I don't know. That's a figure I've just plucked out of the air. I don't know what people think. That equates to about 3,300 a month.
They know what people think.
Richard Stride 18:27
Nice.
Jeremy Percy 18:29
No, because it's because it's only a ostensibly a short term role. It very much restricts the number of people who will apply. Most people are looking for sort of permanent employment, so you've got to make it attractive. You know, if you were hiring A consultant, they would charge, you know, 350 pounds.
Richard Stride 18:40
Mm.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 18:41
Mm.
Edward Baker 18:47
Yeah.
Jeremy Percy 18:47
seeing consultants charges up to a grand a day, but that's because it's usually quite intense and short term. I mean, this is a bit betwixt in between, isn't it? So, you know, if it was, if you were thinking it was a 40 grand, that's 3300. And if it's 50 grand a year, for instance, that's 4000.
Richard Stride 18:58
Yeah.
No, I think.
Jeremy Percy 19:07
One 100 a month.
Richard Stride 19:12
Hello.
Edward Baker 19:12
So, if you did, if you did 350 quid a day for.
Four days a week, four weeks a month for four months, I think is what I did.
And...
Yeah, times 3. That comes out at 22 and a half, which is kind of halfway for that 40 grand.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 19:34
Yeah.
Richard Stride 19:37
Mm.
Children.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 19:39
I think, I think when you advertise it, you got to say that this could lead on to a permanent job.
Edward Baker 19:44
Yeah.
Jeremy Percy 19:44
Yeah.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 19:44
Yeah, obviously, if the person can do, we can find somebody who can fulfil all of this criteria, which I looked at. I think they're pretty rare. And if you can get them to come on part time and they can fulfil it, that's the person you want to carry on doing it, is to go out again and look for somebody else. So I think that should just be made clear, part time initially, potentially full time.
Richard Stride 19:52
I.
John Balls 20:05
Yeah, them words what you use then, Simon, I'll spot on. You know, I think you have to leave it a little bit open-ended like that. If you sell it as part-time, as Jerry said, you aren't going to get the people interested, but if you sell it for the first four or five months as a part-time with
Edward Baker 20:20
Group.
John Balls 20:25
possibility of moving onto a permanent job. That then I think you'll attract more people into that.
And like what we're doing here, we're now trying to set everything up. And that person who comes on board with us might be retired out of the industry or still with an active role within the industry. You know, so, you know, they're the sort of people what we're possibly looking for is somebody who have an understanding of the fishing industry to start with.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 20:32
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jeremy Percy 20:53
Yeah.
John Balls 20:53
Van.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 20:57
It.
Edward Baker 20:57
I think we've got, it's got to be advertised as full time to start with, but with the potential for an extension of the contract.
Jeremy Percy 21:03
Has Morgan made any indication, Ed, about future funding?
Richard Stride 21:04
Yeah.
Edward Baker 21:09
How much? Well, no, so yeah, the future funding is possible, but there will be much more scrutiny on low impact.
Jeremy Percy 21:11
Well, if we...
Yeah, well, we've got, yeah, I've got that minus to talk about.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 21:20
Thank you.
Yeah.
Edward Baker 21:23
No.
So if we did four month full time contract at 22 and a half K.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 21:33
Yeah, I think you got to.
Edward Baker 21:34
Roughly what we're saying.
Jeremy Percy 21:34
So, you fair?
Yep, yep, let's try it.
John Balls 21:40
Just as a just as a thought here, Ed, if Morgan is going off through maternity leave.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 21:40
You can go for it and...
Edward Baker 21:43
Yeah.
Richard Stride 21:48
But it's a blood.
John Balls 21:48
Who is stepping into her shoes while she is away? Have we have you met this person? Are we are we gonna have the same rapport with this person?
Richard Stride 21:51
That.
Edward Baker 21:55
Don't know yet.
Not necessarily. Morgan has basically said to me, get this sorted before I leave. I'll do my best to hand it over and see you well, but get it done.
Jeremy Percy 22:11
Yeah.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 22:11
Yeah, that speaks volumes, doesn't it?
John Balls 22:11
Right.
Jeremy Percy 22:14
Yeah.
Richard Stride 22:14
Yeah, absolutely.
Edward Baker 22:14
Yeah.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 22:15
Let's get it done. Let's have an agreement.
Edward Baker 22:18
So if we can and then say the last 5 minutes that I put in a proposal that we should look at reducing fishing effort in inside 12 and finding routes to market and you guys kind of came back and said this is too far ahead. Mark, have you got your hand up? I'm not sorry.
Jeremy Percy 22:31
Yep.
mark ball 22:37
No, no, no, no, sorry, no, no.
Edward Baker 22:38
Yeah, cool. Sorry, I wasn't sure. And you guys said this was just, and Ashley said it as well, it's jumping the gun and we just need to focus on creating a voice. Government have said.
Jeremy Percy 22:39
Yeah.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 22:41
I can't.
Jeremy Percy 22:46
Yeah.
Yeah.
Richard Stride 22:51
Get.
Yeah, I had a thought about that on the train back on the train back from Newcastle, and I kind of agree, but it wouldn't be a bad thing to put in the person's terms of reference that he should collate the, you know, the fisherman's priorities if he's going to be meeting fishermen. I can see what
Edward Baker 22:52
And so, I'm happy just to take that out.
Richard Stride 23:12
that what you want to do there, Edward, was to sort of provide something that people can rally around. It's going to be very difficult to pick one or two issues that would do that, I think. But if but we do need to give the impression that what we do work on is up to them, basically. So, you know, we need to
to invite that kind of input from potential members and members.
Jeremy Percy 23:36
Yeah, if I can give the slightly opposite view in terms of there'll be a number of naysayers around and those who for whatever reason don't seem to wouldn't support such an initiative. And I think anything that's contentious and of course things like effort, inshore, offshore, etc. are always going to be contentious, especially when you
Edward Baker 23:36
In.
Jeremy Percy 23:56
try and focus on small scale. I think if we can just get the thing up and running, we can go on from there. But the more we put in, I take your point, Rich, entirely, you know, he's got to have something to hang the hat on, but I think there's enough in the PR that Ashley's provided and people will understand what this is all about. I think we should avoid anything contentious if we can, because it'll only pull the
Richard Stride 23:57
So.
Hmm.
No.
Mm.
Jeremy Percy 24:17
Pull the the nice hairs out of the woodwork.
Richard Stride 24:21
Yeah. But if the person is going around talking to fishermen, then that's one talking point, isn't it, for them as to what would be their priorities. Yeah, without actually committing it. Yeah.
Edward Baker 24:22
But.
Nik.
Jeremy Percy 24:30
Yeah, oh, absolutely. Ask them. Ask them rather than put, yeah, rather than put forward ideas or stir the pot. Yeah, certainly getting people's views is absolutely part of it, yeah.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 24:31
Yeah.
Engage.
Edward Baker 24:42
Ashley suggested that members of the steering Group were publicised on the website.
Jeremy Percy 24:43
No.
Edward Baker 24:49
How'd you feel?
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 24:52
Yeah, I'm happy with it. Put us on the on the website. It's been.
Edward Baker 24:54
I think, I think our, I think our names are already there.
Jeremy Percy 25:00
Don't do any harm.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 25:01
Yeah, yeah.
John Balls 25:01
I have no problem with that. Tomorrow night I shall be promoting us anyway. We've got an NDFA AGM tomorrow night and I should be, you know, singing the sheet off the sheet for promotion of us.
Richard Stride 25:03
Yeah.
John Balls 25:16
You know, at the end of the day is all we can do.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 25:17
Yeah.
Edward Baker 25:21
Yeah, so...
John Balls 25:21
You know, everyone sitting in on here now has been down the road of.
trying to champion the cause of bringing people to other meetings. And, you know, we've all heard it same over the last where people have said, oh, we only used to see the same faces on these meetings. That's because I believe we're all passionate about progression.
Jeremy Percy 25:42
Shears.
John Balls 25:46
in this industry, and you know, that's what we have to do.
Adrian Bartlett 25:51
Yeah, it's no harm, is there chucking our names up there? It'll probably settle things down when it across the board.
Richard Stride 25:57
Mhm.
Edward Baker 25:57
Would you be up for? How do you feel, Mark?
Jeremy Percy 25:57
Thank yourself.
mark ball 26:00
Yeah, no problem with that. No problem.
Edward Baker 26:02
Boom, thanks very much.
Jeremy Percy 26:05
Give something someone to throw darts at her.
Edward Baker 26:07
Do do you want do you wanna would you put your picture up there?
Adrian Bartlett 26:07
Yeah.
Richard Stride 26:07
Yeah.
mark ball 26:08
I do.
Sorry.
Jeremy Percy 26:11
It went up.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 26:12
Yeah, I'm happy.
Edward Baker 26:13
If you, if you're happy to take a photo, just like headshot, send it to me, then that probably.
mark ball 26:13
Yeah, yeah.
Richard Stride 26:14
Yeah.
Adrian Bartlett 26:18
I got, I got a cartoon now to use that one.
John Balls 26:21
Yeah.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 26:22
Yes.
Adrian Bartlett 26:24
Just, just...
Richard Stride 26:24
True.
Jeremy Percy 26:24
No, that's cheating.
Adrian Bartlett 26:26
Yeah, just, just...
Richard Stride 26:26
Yeah.
mark ball 26:27
No, no one's trying to do anything bad. They're just trying to help everyone. Exactly. Yeah, exactly.
Adrian Bartlett 26:30
Yeah, no, that's absolutely right, Mark. Obviously, I know there's a few jumping off. It's just a thought. I've been talking to Guernsey, Guernsey State, they're in a right state over there where they're a small scale inshore network. And they was just wondering about this steering group, if one person from Guernsey could sit on it.
John Balls 26:30
Hmm.
Jeremy Percy 26:30
Great.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 26:33
Yeah.
Adrian Bartlett 26:49
And I said, I'll ask the question whilst there's seven of us on the call, if it's possible or not.
Jeremy Percy 26:56
If they came on as observer status, really, I can't see any. Yeah, I can see no problem with that at all, but I think it's a good idea. Yeah.
Adrian Bartlett 26:59
Yes, just just just observer. Okay, then. Yeah, I've been told I've fished out of the Channel Islands for 20-30 years and Alderney's just lost its last commercial boat jerseys. Yeah, so there's no commercial boats in Alderney anymore. And Guernsey is they're struggling with various different things. And it is a kind of a mirror thing that what with
Richard Stride 27:00
Yeah, yeah.
Jeremy Percy 27:11
Breathing.
The.
Adrian Bartlett 27:22
we're facing over in and we could have a different view in a different voice. So that'd be great if we could look at that and then I'll invite them.
on an e-mail to us all, or Ed can or whoever, like, you know, to just to sit as observing, Jerry. It would be brilliant if we could.
John Balls 27:40
This is one time where I think that we should, if we're going to put our photographs up, put that into the fishing news, because the fishing news is read 9 times out of 10 by fishermen. And if there is somebody living under a rock somewhere who actually think no one is representing the corner,
Maybe that one person would be interested in coming on board.
Adrian Bartlett 28:04
Yeah.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 28:05
Yeah, good point.
Jeremy Percy 28:05
Yeah.
Edward Baker 28:06
So we can, I'm well up for doing another fishing news post and with Ashley's help, I'm going to start sticking stuff on social media as well. So we'll ramp it up.
Richard Stride 28:15
Yes.
Adrian Bartlett 28:16
Because we got the site, the social media sites, haven't we, up and running now, don't we?
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 28:17
Mhm.
Edward Baker 28:21
Yeah, they're just not being, they need sharing and moving. So if you're all happy to send me a photo of yourselves, I can do the rest. It's just gone 6:00.
Adrian Bartlett 28:23
YouTube.
Richard Stride 28:31
Okay.
Yeah.
Adrian Bartlett 28:33
Do we mention that we're happy with the TORs then? Do we sign them off tonight?
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 28:33
Who?
Edward Baker 28:38
Is that, is that what? Yeah, I think.
Richard Stride 28:39
Yeah.
John Balls 28:40
Yep.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 28:40
Yeah, I'm happy with him, yeah, yeah.
Jeremy Percy 28:41
Yeah, there was only one other Ed in terms of secretary. I changed a couple of words on that, but it's not, I think people are happy with that. I don't see that as a problem particularly. I changed it from the secretary if appointed, blah, blah, blah, document management. I changed to group administration, just a broader phrase. And just to say,
Richard Stride 28:42
Yeah.
Jeremy Percy 29:01
If, because I've done so much work on definitions of small scale and low impact, if I don't know how much Morgan's going to push that, but I'm happy to discuss it with her and you, because there's a paper after paper on the thing and we need to get that right, because we don't want to lose the vote for Hypothetar.
Edward Baker 29:13
You.
Richard Stride 29:17
Mhm.
Edward Baker 29:21
I'm...
Richard Stride 29:21
She did mention in her e-mail that we should at least have the ambition to promote low impact. And I think we could always do that. We can always seek to spread best practise on and even, you know, even if there are methods which are inherently have more impact, like
Adrian Bartlett 29:22
And...
John Balls 29:22
Mm.
Richard Stride 29:41
dredging, you know, there are still low impact ways of doing it. So we would we would try to promote those, I think.
Jeremy Percy 29:48
It was the biggest issue when we started life in Europe, low impact, includes in the title guys, low impact fishes in Europe. It can be a bloody can of worms if you're not careful. So anyway, Ed, anything I could do to help, mate, just ask.
Richard Stride 29:58
Mm.
Edward Baker 30:00
Yeah, thanks. You said that life would be updating their definition and I'm obviously going to have to write a bit more of a padded out application to more than so anything I can, that's where I'll put that reference in there.
Richard Stride 30:02
Who gets good?
Jeremy Percy 30:12
Yeah, no, I've got plenty of stuff. I'll send you something.
Edward Baker 30:15
Home.
Adrian Bartlett 30:15
And obviously, I'm just going to put the animal in the room then. Obviously, if we've all agreed with the TOR, we all agree with our friend then that they're not connected to the steering group.
Jeremy Percy 30:26
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 30:27
Yeah, I was just going to say actually, I was just going to mention how smoothly this meeting's gone compared with previous ones. That was as close as I was going to come to that one, but yeah, yeah, Adrian, you said it.
Richard Stride 30:33
Yeah.
Jeremy Percy 30:34
Shut.
Richard Stride 30:34
Yeah.
Jeremy Percy 30:36
Yeah, Josie, why?
Edward Baker 30:38
Yeah.
Jeremy Percy 30:39
No, I think quite right, Ada. I mean, if someone says I am going to be a disruptive influence, then he can't clearly be on the steering group of the network that he says he's going to try and kill. Simple as that.
Adrian Bartlett 30:44
Yeah.
John Balls 30:47
No.
Adrian Bartlett 30:47
Yeah.
But this is why this is why we tried to do the TRs quite urgently, and we, and I think that's a brilliant word, vex, whatever it is, vexes, I think vexatious. I think that's I think that's got to be the word of the week, isn't it? Well done, Richard.
Jeremy Percy 30:53
Yeah.
Vexatious, yes.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 30:58
Yeah, it was.
John Balls 31:01
Definitely.
Maybe, Ed, Ed.
Richard Stride 31:03
Apparently it was more common in the 19th century.
Edward Baker 31:06
Yeah.
John Balls 31:07
Ed, maybe just one word there, continuous disruption. Because, you know, we're all going to have different views and I aren't, you know, I'm sitting here now. And yes, I understand that I was the one who fired off at a certain person, but that's all water under the bridge now.
Edward Baker 31:07
This thing, yeah.
Jeremy Percy 31:08
Thanks for that.
mark ball 31:12
Mm.
John Balls 31:26
but maybe just put continuous in front of the disruption.
Jeremy Percy 31:26
This is.
Does is a huge.
There's a huge difference between being disruptive, i.e. and we had examples of that last meeting and just arguing your case and I think disruptive is fine.
Richard Stride 31:32
Van.
Jeremy Percy 31:41
Anyway, I'm gonna go and cook the tea, otherwise I'll be in trouble with herself. Yeah.
Richard Stride 31:41
Yeah.
Edward Baker 31:43
All right, just because this is being recorded, like we like we have to say that we're talking about Martin Yor of and we've decided that based on all of his previous conduct, various emails, that his behaviour is disruptive and is not going to be included in the stealing group.
Richard Stride 31:44
Okay.
John Balls 31:44
Yeah.
Richard Stride 31:58
Yes.
Adrian Bartlett 31:58
Yes.
Jeremy Percy 32:00
Yeah, absolutely. Oh, yeah.
John Balls 32:01
Yeah. Yeah. And we all support you on them words, Ed, because you've just now spoken them words. So obviously we need a show of hands to agree them words. So that's not just one person saying them. You know, we all agree with that. Last week, Mark, there was a, let's just
Richard Stride 32:01
Yes, agreed.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 32:01
Yeah.
Adrian Bartlett 32:05
Yeah.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 32:11
Yeah.
Yeah.
Richard Stride 32:16
Yeah.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 32:17
Yeah.
Richard Stride 32:18
Thanks.
John Balls 32:21
Let's just say a little bit of a disagreement and that ran on and that was eventually, I nipped that in the bud up in Newcastle, you know, when I saw him face to face. But when I finished off the meeting last week or week before, whenever it was, yeah, I was
Adrian Bartlett 32:31
Mhm.
John Balls 32:41
Let's just say a little wound up.
mark ball 32:43
Yeah.
Richard Stride 32:43
Yeah.
Jeremy Percy 32:43
Okay, I'm gone.
Richard Stride 32:44
Okay.
Thank you.
Adrian Bartlett 32:46
All right, thank you very much. Really, step forward tonight. OK, bye bye. Thanks all.
Richard Stride 32:46
All right. Brilliant. Thanks ever so much. Cheers then. See you next time. Look after yourselves.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 32:48
Good deal, guys. Thanks.
Jeremy Percy 32:48
Appreciate it. I'll see you, Marvin. Take care. Bye bye.
mark ball 32:51
Okay, cheers. Yep, cheers. Thank you.
Simon Bywater REAF CIC 32:54
Bye.
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